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2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Gary Gygax along with the other creators of D&D stated that a 20 strength is modern day body builders. So where do super heroes fall in at?
You can look that up by the way ;)
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: a little strong there emerald.... lay it on thick will ya.
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Not laying it on thick, just explaining what I believe in. :)
Listen, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just adamant about my views is all.
2010-11-24 [Figgy]: Holy fuck, it was a suggestion. Not a challenge. Nevertheless, prepare for the incoming wrath of teh Dur. XD
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: Ok guys here is the major issue period. d&d stats don't mix with superhero comic book world. take batman or wildcat or green arrow. they are "normal" humans who throw on costumes and beat up bad guys. true they are trained martial artists but how many times in the comics or cartoons are they beat up and thrown around, tossed into cars, windows and such? just to get back up and start beating on the bad guys again. I remember one instance where wild cat punches through a brick wall... and he's just a human boxer. in comic book world whats normal and what isn't is very blurred. btw me and grizz tend to take things personal... me more then emgrizz.
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: This is an RP, we're not even playing D&D, the stats are nothing more than a reference tool... that's it. it's not like we are gaining XP and leveling our characters. They are going to change emotionally, spiritually, physically and maybe morally; but not in stats for goodness sake!
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: btw how does one have a holy fuck? i mean literally? have sex with an angel?
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: I'm defending myself & Crusher against a verbal onslaught here, no?
OMG Crimson... watch out for the lightning...
2010-11-24 [Figgy]: 1. Who cares about the stats, really? And why was there even an argument made if you think they aren't even necessary? XD
2. Light + Shade = Holy Fuck. I promise.
I don't think you are quite defending more than you are provoking. XD
2010-11-24 [Duredhel]: Grizzly, your character doesn't have to be you for you to live an experience through him/her, in fact, with a me! character, you're better off trying to live similar experiences yourself (carpe diem, you know?). Learning to see the world through the eyes of a character whose viewpoints and appreciation is radically different than yours provides a much more interesting storytelling experience and greater insight than simply playing yourself, but better looking and with superpowers.
There is nothing wrong with using RP as catharsis, but when you start using it in lieu of therapy or a fulfilling personal life, then you're stepping into dangerous grounds. Personally, I RP for fun and as a means to tell a story, not deal with my problems, if I have an issue in real life, I'd rather face and overcome that problem in real life. I actually enjoy the process of considering my character's history, personality, viewpoints, etc when it comes to making a decision for him, rather than simply deferring to what I would do. When a player is living vicariously through a character, they are less prone to make certain sacrifices with that character for the good of the storyline.
Everyone wants their character to be the main character, the greatest one, the strongest, fastest, best looking one, this is specially true in me! characters. They are there to fulfil the needs of the player, not the needs of the story, regardless of which can provide the most enjoyment for the RP as a whole. This is all specially true in an expansive RP. Of course, that all depends on what you prioritize as a GM, and as a GM, I'd rather not indulge in masturbatory exercises. Now, this doesn't mean you can't love your characters, I love mine to death, neither does it mean that all me! characters are bad, it just means that there are things one needs to watch out for. How exactly does playing oneself over and over and over again will make one more versatile, more open and gain more insight as a player?
And yet again.. missing the point entirely with the stats, though you sort of answer your own question. Yes, he is a mutant, yes, he has super strength, he doesn't however, have super speed, super endurance (ok... mebbe he has this one), super intelligence or super charisma. In areas other than his strength, a super strong character will usually be in the range of an average human. Now, what is the problem with emulating rarity? Simple, other characters will not react to the rarity however you want to present it. Super strength is easy, but the charisma, intelligence, etc, it all depends on the way other characters react to yours. If you set them too high, there will be a schism between what is evidenced in the RP and what is written on the sheet. A schism than is not only misleading to new players wanting to read up on the current characters, but tends to cause frustration in players who set up their characters to be super handsome and super smart, yet get overtaken and outsmarted by other characters. Now, again, not referring to you or your character specifically, just a comment on the situation with uber-stats in general. The solution is simple, if its not a stat based RP (and henceforth, there are no ways to enforce such stats) don't give your character any.. and if you do, make them average enough so you can get away with whatever reaction other characters have to yours.
Now, you are taking this as a sort of personal affront, it seems. I'm just stating the way I've run games as first and foremost, a storyteller. As I said in the blurb I wrote for Power Using in the RP, you can get away with a lot of stuff that is advised against if you know what you're doing. Unfortunately, 9 our of 10 RPers don't really know what they're doing. Or at least not enough to watch out for some of the pitfalls that can occur.
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: HOLY FUCK MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS
2010-11-24 [Figgy]: I told you XD
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: they just need to agree to disagree... his comeback is coming tho
2010-11-24 [Figgy]: And when it does, I get to tell them to shut the hell up. XD
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: I heard part of his reply i think he already says that for you... he called me when I was away for an hour... I was watching Return of the Joker...
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: I'm going to take the higher road and thank you your attempt to be civil and explain your point of view. In which I obviously do not agree with. Thank goodness that MissFiggy is GMing this or there could have been an issue of opinions. For she has no problems with my characters or explanation for whose only opinion counts in this situation. We shall see how well I can role-play when we continue this magnificent story. Forgive me MissFiggy if I upset you in any of this banter. I'm simply passionate.
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: campaign? I thought it was an online rp?
2010-11-24 [Figgy]: Okay, Dur has his opinion, and Grizzly has his opinion. It's not anything anyone is trying to force on anyone. My personal opinion? I agree with Dur. But that doesn't mean that every fucking person should agree with him. I mean, if that's what you do best, cool, awesome, but there are always gonna be suggestions to try something different, you know? It's just best that we agree to disagree. Kay? Kay. :3
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: Kay ;) Differences is the spice of life and makes the world beautiful.
2010-11-24 [MechianRed]: sooo holy fuck anyone, one of my residents says im an angel..
2010-11-24 [EmeraldGrizzly]: ??????? What?!
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